2.1.7[C] is in die procedure bij de District Court op 4 april 2007 als getuige onder ede gehoord. In het daarvan opgemaakt proces-verbaal valt onder andere het volgende te lezen:
p. 22:
"Q. 1 believe you testified earlier in your depositions that in some manner this money became [geïntimeerde] 's money; is that correct?
A. That's correct, yeah.
Q. And how did it go from being Lockwood Holding's money to [geïntimeerde] 's money?
A. I gave her money, and that's what happened.
Q. So you gave her the ownership of the money, and then she had the money wired by Lockwood Holding?A. Correct.
Q. Was it a gift from you to [geïntimeerde] ?
A. Yes.
Q. And why did you give her this gift of money?
A. Then I go back to my earlier testimony in the deposition in which the matter of— of the Meijer business, yeah, in — I have transferred to my son; and to compensate her, I've given the money to her. The reason was that the interest - that the rent - that the interest in the United States was many times higher than in Europe, possibly four times, so it was a nice opportunity for her to acquire money that's tax-free. To acquire, yeah.
Q. The Exhibit Number 1 is dated in October of2001. Is that when you gave the money to [geïntimeerde] ?
A. Factually, yes.
Q. Did you give her the money the same day that it was wired to Lockwood Idaho?
A. Yes.
Q. How was this money used by Lockwood Idaho?
A. To pay off the Bank of Eastern Idaho.
Q. And was that money given to Bank of Idaho pursuant to instructions given by you?
A. No.
Q. Whose instructions was it given by?
A. [geïntimeerde] .
Q. Did [geïntimeerde] have conversations with the people in Lockwood Idaho to give them those instructions?
A. She has given me authority to — to arrange it.
Q. And so you were the one giving the instructions; is that correct?
A. As an agent, yeah. (...)"
p. 25:
"Q. And — and were you talking to [geïntimeerde] about the transaction?
A. Yes.
Q. What's the reason that the Bank of Idaho gave [geïntimeerde] this assignment?(...)
Q. Why did the Bank of Idaho, if you know, transfer their loan to [geïntimeerde] ? Or her company?
A. Because she paid the money off.
Q. Was this given to the Bank of Idaho as part of a plan between you and [geïntimeerde] or a plan you had discussed to control Lockwood Idaho?
A. No. But the only plan I had i s - came from some tax-free income. That was planned."
p. 90:
Q. Okay. Now, I want to talk to you about your associations with your daughter, [geïntimeerde] . In looking at Exhibit Number 1, you had testified that you gave [geïntimeerde] this money from Lockwood Holdings that is shown on those wire transfers?
A. Correct.
Q. Now, just to make sure we 're clear, was that a gift or did she give you a promissory note for that?
A. She gave me a promissory note, too.
Q. Was this exchange of money in the note part of your plan that [geïntimeerde] would — and her husband would eventually own the Lockwood companies?
A. Correct.
Q. Was that to give them some income opportunities in the United States?
A. Correct."
p. 126:
"Q. You testified earlier that the money was given to [geïntimeerde] as an inheritance; is that correct?
A. Ja.
Q. And now you've testified that she gave you back a promissory note for the money?
A. That's correct.
Q. And so was the money given to her as a loan or was it given to her as a gift?
A. Do you understand Dutch law? Can you ask me the question again? It has to do with paying taxes or not or paid later. That's why the promissory note is there.
Q. Is [geïntimeerde] obligated to pay that money back to you?
A. No, not in my point of view.
Q. And so did she give you a promissory note?
A. Otherwise, she has to pay the taxes now. And now she can pay later, maybe in 50 years, when she gets — she's now 31. Maybe when she's 81 or 91, she can pay it back.
Q. And so, in other words, you structured this as a loan, but you intended that it not be a loan?
A. That's correct.
Q. And you indicated she gave you back a promissory note?
A. Ja, for tax reasons.
Q. But as far as you're concerned, there's no legal intent on your part that she has to pay any of that back?
A. Depends on my — when I say I want it back, I want it back. But I don't call it, I say, "Don't call."
p. 130:
"Q. Was it given to her as a loan or as an inheritance?
A. It was an inheritance.
Q. You referred to the assets that were --
A. To be covered by a legal loan for tax purposes. That's what I told you before.
Q. So it was given for the purpose and intent of avoiding — the promissory note was given for the purpose and intent of avoiding to have to pay taxes?
A. Correct."